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#76
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 20, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
The positive rail voltage shows up on the cathode of D310 so the coil is not energized. I checked the path between the B+ rail through R346, D310 to pin 6 of IC310 and there are no open components/traces.

I assume the coil needs to be energized to switch the relay terminal 2 to terminal 3 - closed path? If that's the case then IC310 is suspect - what are the +-VCC pins?

#77
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 19, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
No connection between pins 1 & 2(ground) on AN501 and any pin on CN101 on the PA board.

260 ohms between emitters of 309/310.

edit.........

If I scope the signal at R344 I get a nice large clean signal but at the hot terminal on the output jack it's clamped to less than a volt. The relay is the issue.
#78
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 19, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
R351 does not connect to pins 1/2 on CN501 or any pins AN101. The jumper at R351 is connected to the base of Q313 and the emitter of Q309. The other side of the jumper goes to R321 which is connected to the base of Q310 and emitter of Q314.

R344 measures at almost zero ohms. i'll scope out the test pointswhen I get the amp put back together. I assume you mean TP01 and 02?
#79
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 19, 2017, 01:30:23 PM
Errrr these are fully isolated (think TO-247) packages with some sort of pad under the part. Tried to pry them up but they won't budge - I believe the pad is an adhesive sil-pad :o

I also found that the output boards have type # 400597001 (see attached). Shows a connection between R351 and ground bus but again what I have isn't matching.

Any idea how to test the relay/protection IC circuits?

EDIT...with some heat and pliers I have all the power transistors freed up and can get to the bottom of the board. Checked all the capacitors around the protection IC and they are good. Will recheck the bias on the power transistors again and work backwards to the diff pair. After that I'm stumped
#80
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 18, 2017, 08:27:20 PM
Here is the schematic that "looks" like what I have - note that it is almost unreadable. I received this from Hartke and they apologized for the unreadability but they lost many hi-res files on a server change. This schematic does have the correct send/receive circuits for my amp but there are other issues....

My PA boards have connector CN501 which matches the schematic previously attched (5000/7000). There is no R351 loaded on my PA boards just a jumper. The heavy ground bus doesn't appear to be correct for my PA boards and when I look for continuity between pins 1/2 (ground) on CN501 and R351 there isn't any. More mystery.  xP

It looks like the power transistors are glued down to the heatsink so removing the PA board to inspect the bottom of the PCB will be PITA.

#81
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 18, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
Found the correct schematic for this version of the amp. The preamp send gives a good clean signal and I can get 5VRMS into the amplifiers but that will only give a volt or so at both power amplifier(s) output. The power amp bias and supply voltages are correct so I cannot find a fault condition that exists for BOTH separate power amps.

Seems like I'm missing something obvious here. If the fault is not in the power amp circuit(s) it's in the protection components or ? I'm also assuming that you can run this without a load and still get an output?
#82
Amplifier Discussion / Hartke 5000 Mystery
February 14, 2017, 05:57:35 PM
I picked up this amp off of Craig's List and the only info from the owner was that the amp would power up but no signal at output. Took the cover off the amp and found that the voltage regulator IC401 was hanging off the board probably damaged when the amp was dropped (one of the rack ears were bent). New regulator in place and the amp powers up but I only get a good clean/strong signal out of the send jack. If I inject a signal into the return jack or apply it to the front panel input jacks I get a very small output level at all 4 speaker output jacks on the back panel. I have the amp in Non-biamp mode (Mono).

I started to chase a signal from the return jack and found some very weird layout issues. The amp is a 5000HA with the following main board marked as: Model 3500B/5000/7000B 4005198010A. Looking at the signal coming off the EFX jack board I get a nice clean signal at the RE terminal of AN401 through the cable but when I look at the terminals of AN401 on the main board they are marked SE/RE/G but do not connect to the same components shown in the attached schematic. For example terminal RE on AN401 main board connects to R202 to C201 to pin 6 of IC107-B. "G" terminal connects to pin 3 and 5 on the same opamp. The SE terminal does connect to pin 1 of IC107 so that is why the send circuit is working.

With .5 to 1 VRMS at the return jack the output pin 7 of IC107 is not anywhere near the level of what is input at the return jack and if I chase the signal down to pin 1 of IC202 there is no way I'm any where near 12dB of gain.

Does anyone have the schematic for the above main board - the ones I find on the net don't match the layout I have? What am I missing?
#83
I think your initial question was a touchy volume control on the amp. If you look at the schematic for this amp the volume control pots are "B" taper - i.e. linear slope. Unfortunately, we hear increasing sound amplitude in a non-linear fashion. Not sure if this was a marketing ploy by Fender since I always here people complain about the SS amps from the 80's and 90's being too loud and they can't be turned down. Changing to an "audio" taper/slope will help this issue.   
#84
Is the enclosure painted MDF? cheap and cheerful
#85
QuoteBrowbeating me for looking for the quickest solution based on other's experiences instead of using the scientific method isn't going to change the fact that I don't have the time to troubleshoot this amp component by component. I've already replaced the filter caps, I'll look elsewhere to answer my transformer inquiries.

better to move on and find the magic somewhere else.......
#86
Amplifier Discussion / Re: what's a good single 12" amp
October 13, 2016, 07:50:51 PM
Fender Deluxe/Princeton 112
Peavey Special 130

#87
Amplifier Discussion / Re: The Toy Story ...
October 06, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
Why use conformal coating on the PCBs? This makes repair or modification a messy ordeal.
#88
What signal do you have at the collector of Q13?
#89
Is the problem in the preamp or the power amp section? It appears that the problem was ch2 and now it's ch1??

If you don't have a scope you can make a "signal chaser" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEcyDzYAsuU
#90
It is possible the output transistors have been or were originally damaged but look at the DC voltages at the base, emitter and collector of Q1-4 (wouldn't hurt to look at the same junctions of Q14-15. See this link if you need some help in understanding how to trouble shoot transistor circuits: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/worksheets/bjt-amplifier-troubleshooting/

I sometimes use the LBL to help establish what is getting hot in the circuit: a cheap IR thermometer is a good tool to use and scanning the board before and after power is applied sometime gives a clue as to what is not happy on your board.