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Relay series resistor

Started by Miyagi_83, October 18, 2024, 05:04:29 AM

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Miyagi_83

Not sure if I'm posting this in the right place.

Anyway, I came across a thread by joecool85 where he wanted to use a relay for switching channels on his amp. To cut a long story short, it was necessary to lower the voltage needed for the relay.
J M Fahey suggested the following:

Quote from: J M Fahey on November 23, 2010, 10:12:58 AMThe series resistor is needed to bring those 19V down to needed 12V.
Value?: measure the DC resistance of the coil, and multiply it by 0.58 .
Example, if your relay coil has 1200 ohms, you'll need a (1200 * 0.58)=696 ohms.

My question is, why 0.58? At first I thought it was because it's the ratio of needed voltage to available voltage, but
12 / 19 = 0.62
Pretty close, and most probably good enough, but not exactly that.
So, what am I getting wrong?
"The ill and unfit choice of words wonderfully obstructs the understanding."
Sir Francis Bacon

Tassieviking

I have no real idea but it might be because a coil has impedance that acts different then a straight resistor ?
Just like a speaker that is rated at 8 ohm Impedance measures lower in DC ohms with a multi-meter.
There are no stupid questions.
There are only stupid mistakes.

g1

Not sure how he got that number, magic?  Or maybe I'm just not on top of my game right now.   ;)
But in any case, pick an example number, solve for current, and the added resistor will drop about 7V, leaving 12V on the relay coil. 

Miyagi_83

Quote from: g1 on October 18, 2024, 05:04:33 PMNot sure how he got that number, magic?  Or maybe I'm just not on top of my game right now.  ;)
But in any case, pick an example number, solve for current, and the added resistor will drop about 7V, leaving 12V on the relay coil. 
Yeah, that's what I've done a few times as an exercise, use Ohm's law to find the value needed. The ratios I got were pretty close. I mean, using Mr. Fahey's number the calculated voltage values were good for the relays I had on hand, so perhaps I'm splitting hairs on this one?
"The ill and unfit choice of words wonderfully obstructs the understanding."
Sir Francis Bacon

g1

First off 12/19 is closer to .63 than .62  ;) .
Then, that 63% is of the total, the relay resistance plus the series resistor.
So that's why it can't be used applied directly to the relay resistance.

Miyagi_83

Quote from: g1 on October 19, 2024, 03:30:47 PMFirst off 12/19 is closer to .63 than .62  ;) .
Whaaaaa? How did I get that one wrong?  :duh You're right ofc.
"The ill and unfit choice of words wonderfully obstructs the understanding."
Sir Francis Bacon