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I use KiCad to make schematics, I use it mainly to make up PCB's for stomp boxes and amps i want to build for myself. It is freeware so it costs nothing and is really good and easy to use.

I know the basics of audio circuits but nowhere near as much as many others on this forum, I'm just a retired electrician so I know more about industrial electronics.
I redrew the schematic around the channel swiching so you can see it all in one place.
I included the red wire so i put 2 connectors in the circuit.
It might be easier to follow from the switches to +58v
That is a very common relay so most mayor electronic companies have them.
Mouser, RS-Electronics, Element-14, Digikey, etc. just google G5V-1 relay.
If it was the relay not working then the LED's should still work.
I still think you are loosing power somewhere between the 58V (B)and the earth end of the 2k2 resistor.
If I am correct that the LED's are swapped on the schematic and terminal X has to be connected to earth for the overdrive to be on then the problem would be between the 58V and the grounding on the treble pot switch or the foot switch jack.

Are you using the treble pot or the foot switch to select the overdrive channel ?

If you are using the treble pot then try the foot switch instead and see what happens.
If you do not have a foot switch then insert a normal mono plug into the footswitch jack as this should work as well. (guitar lead will do)

Try the opposite of what you have been using to try to eliminate the fault.

It might be a bad part or component, but more likely a solder joint that has gone bad over time from vibrations.
That 5W resistor must be original if both have it I guess.
I had a quick look at the PCB track picture I found on SSGuitar, I painted in the relay and resistor to see how it was set out.
I think the small relay might be similar to an Omron G5V-1 relay.

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The picture was in post #4, I had to open it in a new window and then download it before I could see it.
It is the resistor standing up near the front panel, it is circled in blue.
I think it is 1k5 5 watt, it is marked "1k5 ohms 5% CW5"
He has re-posted the picture in post #8
I think the small square blue thing behind it is the relay for the  channel switching.

There is a chance that with the resistor standing up like that the solder could develop cracks and cause a bad contact just from the vibrations from the speaker also.

The link I posted in post #8 shows a much smaller component so I wonder if that big resistor is not original, it makes no sense to mount a large resistor standing up like that. Too much weight relying on the solder to support it, it's bound to suffer from mechanical failures with time.
Plus the schematic says 1 watt and that looks like a 5 watt resistor to me.

If you use a torch to light up under the PCB you can sometimes see the copper tracks from the top, see what it connects to.
The link in post #8 shows a partial picture of the tracks as well.


If I have the facts right, the following happens:
1.Distortion channel stops working but amplifier still works but only on the normal channel.
2. When this happens both the normal and distortion LED's go out.

When you want to use the distortion channel you have to pull the Treble knob out, or use the foot switch.
The relay operates and switches the amp to the distortion channel, the relay determines the channel that is used.
power is lost to both the LED's and the relay when fault appears, pointing to the 1k5 1w resistor to me.

I would suspect that the power to the relay goes out, possibly a bad solder joint or a faulty 1k5 1W resistor that goes to the relay from the +58v rail.

It is strange that you are worried about that power resistor that is also 1k5 that is dropping all that powder, there are only 2x 1k5 resistors on that schematic that I can see and they should be 1 watt.

In a previous post the same component was questioned.

I think you should try to trace where the 1k5 resistor is that feeds the relay, and then replace it. also re-flow all the solder joints in that part of the circuit.

If you take the PCB out and take some photos of the bottom tracks and the top of the PCB we might be able to help you trace it better.
Inspect the solder joints with a jewelers loupe or strong magnifying glass and you might see the problem.
I have 3 jewelers loupes I use for that job, 10x, 20x, 30x magnification I got from E-bay for dirt cheap. Best buy I ever did.

Edit: I think the red and green LED might be swapped around in the schematic as well.
I would guess that the sound you are hearing is not very loud ?
You most likely are generating the sound with Q205, and possibly Q208.
It would not be very loud because it goes through the 100 ohm resistors to the output.

At a wild guess I would say that Q208 is bad and its driving the TIP42 fully on.
With the 0R5 resistors removed and amp on, do you have any DC output to the speaker ?
Disconnect the speaker and measure the output again, it should be very close to 0 volts if everything is ok.

Are the +32 and -32 volt rails ok ?
I presume the TIP transistors have good insulators behind them, check with a meter.

Without the resistors in the amp the TIP transistors are not doing anything and the amp would not be working very well at all.
A 25 watt acoustic amp would be fairly loud.
Be very very careful in that amp, there is 444 volts DC going to the valves and the capacitors can still have voltage in them even when the amp is unplugged.

I have one version of the schematic only for the RG50.
Is there a reference number for that resistor on the PCB ?
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If it already has sockets mounted for the IC's I would say go for it, as long as the new op-amps are compatible.

If you are after less noise then it might be better to check those 40 year old capacitors as they might have downgraded a bit over 40 years.
I would definitely test the main filtering caps for the power supplies, those big electrolytic caps can cause noise if they go bad.

There are better quality capacitors around now, a lot better then 40 years ago.
The biggest question is do you need it to sound clearer or do you just want to tinker, I would leave it alone if everything is working ok and it's not too noisy.
The amps were always a bit noisy back then, some more then others.
I think it should have been marked, but then in the stomp-boxes I make up there is no room so my markings are under the components.
Once you mount a resistor you can no longer see what the part number is in most of my PCB's I make up.
But then my PCB's are for myself, and anyone I share them with on a forum.
Nothing about a tweeter in the schematic that I could see.
That looks like a standard audio transformer to me, i don't know what from as my background was industrial electronics.
It would be used to isolate the audio signal between 2 different circuits.

Why do you think the DV74HC132AN will not be the same as the 74132 you need ?
It can handle up to 7v supply and you have 4.8v supply in the scope.
If the chip can handle the voltage and signal then it should be ok.
Hopefully someone who knows for sure can jump in with an answer for you.

The LM358 dual opamps will come in useful in many projects, you could use one to buffer the sinewave output of the ICL8038 signal generator IC that you got there.
The ICL8038 has square, triangle and sinewave outputs and will make some great signal generators for you to build.
Well F F F F Freak me out.
I wonder if there are any Bass amps in there, with 1000 watts D class powered speakers it would be great if there are several Bass models included.
Light bulb on top sounds like a photo transistor of some sort.
The 4 lead SK3006 is a Germanium transistor that has an extra leg for the metal cap on top as far as I know, and the SK3004 is also a Germanium transistor.
Some Germanium transistors are becoming expensive since they are no longer available and are very coveted for Fuzz pedals.

You should test all the Germaniums individually and record the findings.

Datasheet is too big to upload here so here is the link:

Look at page 26 for the SK3004 and SK3006

Quote from: saturated on October 14, 2023, 10:25:03 PMI also learned that wires have two ends.  meaning all the while I knew to stay away from the wires on the end of the CRT.
I should have known that the ends of those wires are in the top middle of the following photo.

You will quickly learn to be careful if you touch those "hot" wires, but don't worry, it only hurts till you pass out.
You just need to worry about waking up after you pass out, it's not guaranteed.