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#1
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Crate BT 350 Troubleshooti...
Last post by Jazz P Bass - January 12, 2025, 05:11:23 PM
Narrow it down.
Do any other controls affect the noise?
If so, then the issue is before that control.
An audio probe would help immensely.
#2
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Crate BT 350 Troubleshooti...
Last post by jukelemon - January 12, 2025, 10:01:08 AM
Thank you sir and I am on the same page.

This board is a major PITA to test given its orientation. I guess I could mark all the test points with a sharpie and then put it back on.  Is that what you all do?

Or do you test the board outside and run any applicable grounds?

Do any of you use a listening amp for tracing on preamp boards?

The ground symbols are not conventional on this amp which makes it that much more difficult :(

Lastly, and based on what I am describing i.e. full power/all preamp functions work/burnt C7 (which I cannot even find on the schem), does anything look like suspect?
#3
Amplifier Discussion / Re: Crate BT 350 Troubleshooti...
Last post by Jazz P Bass - January 11, 2025, 10:49:05 PM
Follow the noise backwards from the Master control.
#4
Tubes and Hybrids / Re: Another standby switch thr...
Last post by saturated - January 11, 2025, 09:52:19 PM
Well....you knew I was gonna do it  :tu:

Amp in playing mode
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Amp on standby

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#5
Amplifier Discussion / Crate BT 350 Troubleshooting
Last post by jukelemon - January 11, 2025, 04:56:56 PM
Hi all! 1st post and happy to be onboard. Thank you.

I am a tube tech for many years, know my way around a scope and sig gen but am just starting to further my knowledge into SS.

I have read many articles/educational topics on general Transistor theory, amp design etc but far from an expertise level of tube topology/design.

I was given a BT350 that was "dead".  There were several things going on and I will list them here just to give some back drop.

1- Both low voltage power supply fuses were blown
2- 22 ohm fusible resistor was blown on the preamp board C7
3- IC1 was found to be inop
4- Several diodes on the preamp board were bad
5- Of course...very little signal would pass

I have resolved all the above and even replaced IC2 given I had more than one 5532.  I have a  clean/strong output to the speaker jack and this can be seen both on scope and practical playing a bass thru it. 

However, it has a lot of static noise/some crackle pops and some hum that increases via the Master Level with or without an input plugged in

I have bridged the Effects jacks. No change. 

I have tested the signal at J3 pin 2 on the power amp and can see (scope) static/noise.  I have also sent the Effects out to another amp and get a clean signal BUT the same noise albeit less than what I see/hear at the speaker jack.

I have tested both power rails at every TP and they are solid at +/- 70 ish volts and +/- 16 ish volts with "ish" = tenths of volts and negligible I think

With no speaker load, I am getting -0.2 vdc at the speaker jack with Master at 0 and wild jumps from -36mvdc to 16vdc RMS via my meter when I turn up the Master Level.  In other words, voltage is bouncing after the master pot leaves ground

With an 8 0hm dummy load, it is the same +/- mvdc bounce

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance!

I don't see a way to post a schem file here.  But I have them



#6
Tubes and Hybrids / Re: Another standby switch thr...
Last post by pdf64 - January 11, 2025, 11:46:11 AM
If there's a valve rectifier (especially indirectly heated like here 5AR4), I suggest to just ignore or eliminate standby; none of the typical arrangements are downside free or are anywhere near evenly balanced (in regard of technical downsides and benefits).
#7
The Newcomer's Forum / Re: Voltron wattmeter
Last post by saturated - January 10, 2025, 06:46:44 PM
Holy cow 🐄🐮

Seeing the difference between LED and incandescent bulbs

 :grr  :loco
#8
The Newcomer's Forum / Re: Voltron wattmeter
Last post by saturated - January 10, 2025, 06:36:50 PM
Ok nm I didn't realize there were different models  :loco

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Instructions for the one I have

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Working in single phase mode

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#9
The Newcomer's Forum / Voltron wattmeter
Last post by saturated - January 10, 2025, 04:47:50 PM
Finally got around to trying this thing

I splurged a few bucks on a manual

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I hooked it to a box fan 

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So it has life but I couldn't get any response from the single phase mode aside from a small reverse movement I did reverse polarity to try it to no avail

I don't see any fuses anywhere on the unit or in the manual nor a power cord  xP

I need to calculate approximate watts of a dollar store box fan  :grr




#10
Tubes and Hybrids / Re: Another standby switch thr...
Last post by saturated - January 10, 2025, 01:53:09 PM
Thanks
I guess it would help if I looked it up and determined what actually happens circuit wise with a standby switch  :grr like it shorts out the flux capacitor  :tu:

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